Part of the “InnerViews Series” with iKE ALLEN
During my interview with Gary Renard for the films Leap! & A Course in Miracles The Movie Special Edition, I asked Gary this question:
Non-dualistic traditions teach that our world is but an illusion, that there is no separation between us and divinity. Could you talk about that?
Here was Gary’s Reply:
That’s the truth but it’s not our experience. Our experience is different from that, our experience is that we’re bodies, that we’re separate, that we live in a dualistic world. So what we need to do is figure out how to change that. Now Albert Einstein said that a person’s experience is kind of like an optical delusion of consciousness. So we look out there, we see all of this separation. It’s actually what the hindis would call the world of multiplicity. And it’s not true. But we think that it is true. And it doesn’t do us any good to just deny that that’s our experience. Our experience is that we’re here and that we’re in these bodies. Now what we want to do is figure out a way to change that experience. From the experience that we’re here in these bodies to what we are and where we really are. And the fastest way to do that is to change our interpretation of that which we are seeing. The reason for that is simple. You have two parts to the mind, you have the conscious mind, and people think that the conscious mind is real important.
They think it’s what you think and what you see with your conscious mind that runs you. But that’s not true. What really runs you is the part of the mind that you can’t see, the part of your mind that’s hidden from you. It’s like this ocean of unconscious mind that’s underneath the surface. And hidden there is a lot of crap, there’s a lot of deep ontological unconscious guilt that people aren’t aware of, but that’s what really runs the world, that’s what’s responsible for all the madness that we see on our television screens, all the war and the crime and violence and disease, all the separation and compulsions and addictions and driven behaviors that we see, it’s all being driven by this stuff that is in the unconscious mind that we can’t see. And that’s what actually makes the world go around. And it can be traced all the way back to the original idea of being separate from our source, and the tremendous amount of guilt that accompanied it on this massive metaphysical level. In order to escape from it, we had incredible denial and projection outward. So now all this stuff that was in the mind appears to be outside of the mind. It appears to be outside us and that that’s really there when the truth is that all we’re seeing is a symbol of that which exists in our own unconscious mind.
Now if you put that together with the fact that there’s really only one of us, and of course a modern physicist would confirm that, that once you get down to the subatomic level you can’t really separate one thing from something else, everything is one, whole, connected. If you put those two ideas together then you start to realize that if what you’re seeing is a symbol of what’s in your own unconscious mind and if everything is really one, then what are we doing if we go through life judging and condemning other people? Without realizing it all that we’re really doing is judging and condemning ourselves. It may look like we’re directing it out there but there really isn’t any out there. It’s really just a projection. It’s a projection of a universe of time and space. And the way to undo that projection which is the equivalent of undoing the ego when it comes to Buddhism, the way to undo it is through change in your interpretation of that which you are seeing because by doing so you’re actually changing your interpretation of yourself. So as quick example, let’s say I’m driving down the highway and somebody cuts me off in traffic. And I say â€˜oh that son of a bitch.’ Well I just called myself a son of a bitch without realizing it. Because there’s not really anybody out there for it to go to because there’s really only one of us and that one appears as many, it’s the hindu’s world of multiplicity. You have one appearing as many.
There’s just one ego that thinks that it’s here and it has separated itself from its source and taken on an identity that is unique and personal. But even though it may look like there are billions of us here, there’s really only one of us here and whatever you put out there is really just going to you. And not only that but your unconscious mind knowing anything knows that there’s really only one of us here. And if your unconscious mind knows that there’s really only one of us here, then it will interpret whatever you think about somebody else and whatever you say about somebody else to really be directed at you. So if you want to change your experience of life and ultimately your identity of what you are and what you think you are, then the fastest way to do it is to change the way you think about other people.