I first met Fred Alan Wolf while making Leap! A Quantum Awakening. As a quantum physicist, Fred is able to provide us with insights that the western mind longs for in pursuing Enlightenment. His knowledge, wisdom and humor have always been appreciated by mySelf and countless others.
Below, is part of our interview while creating Leap!
iKE: Hi Fred, throughout time, language has been declaring that there’s no separation between us and divinity. Can you talk about that?
Fred: Well iKE, I could if I knew what divinity was. I’m not sure how to say what exactly is divine. Divinity is like love. We all have
a sense of it but we don’t know what the heck it is. From my point of view, there are no clear separations between
anything and anything else. So it’s not only divinity and material world or divinity and business or divinity and the spirit,
it’s all divine in a certain sense, because from my point of view it’s a big mystery how anything is in the first place. Where
do we come from, why is it here, why should we be able to talk about it as if it was ho-hum when actually it’s oh wow,
geez whiz. The fact that I can think of things to say is for me a great miracle. The fact that anybody can think of things
to say is a great miracle. The fact that most people say things without thinking is a great miracle.
iKE: You’ve been quoted as saying “there’s no out there out there.” Can you elaborate on that?
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Fred: We’ve talked enough iKE that I know you know there isn’t any out there out there separated from something we call in here, in here. And that in here-ness is very important in the whole equation. It’s so important that it’s almost obvious and it’s so important and obvious that it’s completely left out of our thinking. It began when we began looking at the world and saying what’s going on. And as we
began looking we never asked ourselves, who’s asking the question? What’s asking the question? How is it possible that
a question is even arising and where is it arising from? Those questions didn’t get asked because everybody’s trying to
survive. And it’s either cold, or they were hungry or the ooga-boogas were jumping on ‘em and they needed some way to
escape, to control, to control the environment. So all those things left the Iness, your highness, out of the equation. And
when you leave the Iness out of your equation, you leave out the big big mystery. So the whole point of this is we need
to look at what is this thing called I, this presence, this part of the equation that we can’t really explain in terms of just
looking at what’s going on out there. So mystics and spiritual people began to sense that and they began to look at what
is the I, and that lead to notions of the invisible god of the basic Hebrew-christian doctrine, or the god in forms which
come out through hindu doctrine, and all these different kinds of ways of thinking about something that was impossible
to see, sense, taste, feel or hear, something that was internalized, real ly deep within the nature of existence but could
not be written down as an equation or mathematical ofrm or described in any way. So we left that out, spirituality and
materiality went their separate ways about the 15-16th century, so called scientific renaissance beginning with people like
gallileo and newton and so forth. Look at the objective reality, the mechanical reality, the fact that things out there seem
to obey laws. To newton, this was just, “wow, how is it that things obey these laws, my god, the planets, everything’s
regulated, everything’s on a timetable, how is that possible.†So that became the primary way of thinking and effected
everything from psychology to business to Darwinian evolution to biology, all of science got really shaped by this
objective reality picture.
But with quantum physics everything changed. Suddenly we began to realize that the observer by performing an action of attempting to measure something of that objective world, was actually shaping that objectiveworld by the act being performed in the measurement technique itself. The way I put it in my book taking the quantum leap, I describe it as, imagine yourself being invited to tea by elves in a very tiny house. Of course you can’t get in th e
house, but they want to have you for tea. So you knock on the door, but every knock is so violent to the dollhouse that it
shakes it all around. In fact things are shaking so much every time you’re walking around that you eventually question
yourself and say, ‘is this really a dollhouse because I never really see it as a dollhouse, I only imagine it to be a dollhouse
maybe it’s really not what it appears to be. So that leads into the whole notion of is reality as it appears to be or are we
just imposing our will, our intenion on what we see and saying “that’s what we see as reality.†So that leads into the
whole thing of the observer effect and that’s where quantum physics becomes the inspiration it has become in the start
of this new millennium.
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Take the Leap! or Stay Asleep,
-iKE ALLEN Founder of AVAIYA
